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		<title>Silicon Valley Was Named by a Journalist at Lunch. Or Was It?</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>In January 1971, a trade-paper columnist named Don Hoefler gave a series about the semiconductor business a headline that sounded like a travel brochure: &#8220;Silicon Valley, USA.&#8221; Half a century later, that phrase is global shorthand for tech, money, and ambition. It started as a headline in a weekly trade paper that most people outside ... <a title="Silicon Valley Was Named by a Journalist at Lunch. Or Was It?" class="read-more" href="https://fyitales.com/silicon-valley-name-origin-don-hoefler/" aria-label="Read more about Silicon Valley Was Named by a Journalist at Lunch. Or Was It?">Read more</a></p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In January 1971, a trade-paper columnist named Don Hoefler gave a series about the semiconductor business a headline that sounded like a travel brochure: &#8220;Silicon Valley, USA.&#8221; Half a century later, that phrase is global shorthand for tech, money, and ambition. It started as a headline in a weekly trade paper that most people outside the chip business never read.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The popular version says Hoefler coined it over lunch. The real version is messier. He wasn&#8217;t the first person to say it. The lunch story comes from a colleague&#8217;s memory, not a document. And the accounts of who suggested the phrase to him don&#8217;t agree.</p>
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Quick answer</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Journalist Don Hoefler put &#8220;Silicon Valley&#8221; into print as the headline of a series in the trade paper Electronic News, dated January 11, 1971 (the Computer History Museum&#8217;s catalog entry says January 10). He popularized the name but did not invent it. Who first said it, and who suggested it to him, is still disputed.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">A columnist with a nose for gossip</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Donald C. Hoefler (1922–1986) had worked as a publicist and reporter for Fairchild Publications, McGraw-Hill, RCA and Fairchild Semiconductor. He knew the chip world from the inside. Later he left Electronic News to start his own newsletter, Microelectronics News, which ran for about 14 years. Most issues are now archived by the Smithsonian&#8217;s National Museum of American History.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Computer History Museum describes him with the line &#8220;liked by some, disliked by many and read by all.&#8221; His newsletter traded in the follies of Valley executives, and much of the gossip was gathered at his unofficial field office: a bar stool at Walker&#8217;s Wagon Wheel, a tavern in Mountain View. Executives feared the newsletter, and by most accounts they read it anyway.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In late 1970 he was working on a series about how the semiconductor industry had taken root in the area that, up to then, most people still called the Santa Clara Valley. That name belongs to the geographic valley itself, not to a county. The county is Santa Clara County, and the valley&#8217;s name was about geography, not about an industry. The series needed a title.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The lunch (version one)</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The lunch story comes from Jim Vincler, who worked with Hoefler. As the Computer History Museum tells it, Hoefler was at a lunch with marketing people when one of them said &#8220;Silicon Valley.&#8221; Vincler recalled watching Hoefler&#8217;s eyes &#8220;subtly light up like a poker player who had just filled a straight.&#8221; Hoefler then built the phrase into his series on the industry&#8217;s growth in the Santa Clara Valley.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In this telling, the phrase came from someone at a meal, not from Hoefler&#8217;s own imagination. That makes the lunch account a colleague&#8217;s recollection, and it is the kind of detail that gets polished with retelling.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The friend (version two)</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Many sources credit a different person: Ralph Vaerst, an entrepreneur and friend of Hoefler&#8217;s, who is said to have suggested the name for the series. Wikipedia&#8217;s Hoefler entry says so directly.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But when the Vaerst question came up, Vincler said it was &#8220;definitely not Vaerst&#8221; at that lunch. So there may be two different origin stories, or one story that got tangled over the years.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In 1981 Hoefler gave a tidy rationale, quoted by the Computer History Museum: &#8220;These revolutionary semiconductors are made in a valley, from silicon.&#8221; Then he added, &#8220;How was I to know that the term would quickly be adopted industry-wide?&#8221;</p>
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The part most people miss</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Hoefler wasn&#8217;t first. A May 1970 advertisement in the Peninsula Times Tribune described a Palo Alto company that &#8220;helps production people in Silicon Valley.&#8221; That is about eight months before his headline. The Computer History Museum&#8217;s blog on the question cites earlier use outside journalism.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Memory pushes it back further. A SIGCIS discussion of the question notes that advertising executive Regis McKenna remembered first hearing the term in mid-1965, and that other survey respondents recalled 1967 or so. Its author, who arrived in the area in March 1970, said it was still being called the Santa Clara Valley then. The discussion suggests the term came from government R&#038;D people or East Coast communications professionals in the 1960s, and concludes that no one really knows who coined it.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So the name was probably floating around in conversation before a journalist gave it a headline. What Hoefler did was print it, in a paper the whole industry read, at a moment when the industry needed a name. &#8220;Santa Clara Valley&#8221; described a place. &#8220;Silicon Valley&#8221; described what the place made, which is why it worked as a brand.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The honest answer to &#8220;who named Silicon Valley?&#8221; is that nobody knows who said it first. We do know who made it stick.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Why it stuck</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Most place nicknames are a bit embarrassing, but this one worked because it was literal. Silicon was the material, the valley was the place, and &#8220;USA&#8221; in the headline made it sound like a country of its own. Once other publications and companies started using it, the old name had little chance.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Hoefler kept covering the region until his death in April 1986, at 63. By then the name had outgrown its origin. It now describes an industry more than a geography, and it has been copied by places like &#8220;Silicon Alley&#8221; and &#8220;Silicon Fen&#8221; that wanted some of the shine.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Sources</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Computer History Museum, &#8220;Who named Silicon Valley?&#8221; (blog post).</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Computer History Museum, catalog and Revolution exhibit entry for &#8220;Silicon Valley, USA,&#8221; Electronic News.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">SIGCIS, &#8220;Who Coined the Term Silicon Valley?&#8221;</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Wikipedia, &#8220;Don Hoefler&#8221; (biography and the Vaerst account).</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Smithsonian Institution Archives (SOVA), Don C. Hoefler&#8217;s Microelectronic News Collection.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Explore more: <a href="https://fyitales.com/category/words-phrases/">More Words &#038; Phrases tales</a>.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Silicon Valley FAQs</h2>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Who coined the term Silicon Valley?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Nobody knows for certain. Journalist Don Hoefler was the first to use it as a headline, in Electronic News in January 1971, but evidence shows it was in use earlier, including a May 1970 newspaper ad and recollections dating to the mid-to-late 1960s.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Did Ralph Vaerst name Silicon Valley?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Some accounts, including Wikipedia&#8217;s, say Vaerst suggested the phrase to Hoefler. Hoefler&#8217;s former colleague Jim Vincler said the person at the lunch was definitely not Vaerst, so the accounts conflict and the question is unresolved.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">What was Silicon Valley called before?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The area was commonly called the Santa Clara Valley, after the geographic valley (the county there is Santa Clara County). Some East Coast and government insiders reportedly used variants like &#8220;Silicon Gulch&#8221; and &#8220;Silicon Valley&#8221; informally in the 1960s.</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Picture a Victorian graveyard at midnight: a lone watchman pacing between headstones, ears tuned for a bell ringing up through the dirt, the signal that whoever&#8217;s in that coffin isn&#8217;t actually dead. That&#8217;s the story most people have heard about why the overnight work shift is called the &#8216;graveyard shift&#8217; — someone, somewhere, was literally watching graves. It&#8217;s a terrific story.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It&#8217;s also, according to every etymologist who has actually gone digging through old newspapers for evidence, nonsense. The real origin doesn&#8217;t involve a single corpse. It involves a mine in Arizona, a superintendent named Hammond, and a work schedule so quiet and dark it just felt like a graveyard.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Quick answer</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The graveyard shift (the overnight work shift, roughly midnight to 8 a.m.) got its name because those hours felt as dark, quiet, and lonely as a cemetery — not because anyone was ever stationed to guard against premature burial. The earliest documented print use, found by etymologists searching 19th-century newspapers and trade journals, comes from mining, not from any burial-watch practice.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">An Arizona mine, 1884</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The oldest confirmed appearance of the phrase &#8216;graveyard shift&#8217; in print comes from a trade paper called The Mining Record, dated August 9, 1884. Etymologist David Wilton, who runs the reference site Wordorigins.org and cross-checks his findings against the Oxford English Dictionary and Green&#8217;s Dictionary of Slang, tracked down the actual line: &#8216;On Monday afternoon superintendent Hammond received a telegram directing him to resume operations in the mine, and at 6 P.M. the graveyard shift went below, while the whistle sounded loud and long, confirming the good news.&#8217;</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Mining is the key detail. Underground mines, unlike most 19th-century workplaces, had every reason to run around the clock — daylight didn&#8217;t reach the shafts anyway, so there was no efficiency lost by working at 2 a.m. instead of 2 p.m. By the 1890s, Colorado court records were casually defining the graveyard shift as the crew that worked &#8216;from midnight on to the morning,&#8217; as if the term needed no further explanation. It had already become ordinary industry slang.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Sailors keep watch too</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Mining wasn&#8217;t the only trade grinding through the dead of night. Sailors had long split their watches into shifts, and the darkest, loneliest one — midnight to four in the morning — picked up its own version of the nickname: the &#8216;graveyard watch.&#8217; A 1927 nautical glossary by Gershom Bradford defined it plainly as &#8216;the middle watch or 12 to 4 a.m., because of the number of disasters that occur at this time,&#8217; linking the name to danger and gloom rather than to cemeteries.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">By 1897, the phrase had surfaced in civilian print too — the Salt Lake Tribune ran a line about &#8216;Sergeant John Burbidge the graveyard shift.&#8217; And by 1908, the Saturday Evening Post used &#8216;graveyard shift&#8217; as if every reader already knew it meant &#8216;the interval between 12 midnight and eight in the morning.&#8217; As factories, mills, and eventually hospitals and police departments adopted round-the-clock schedules through the early 1900s, the name rode along with them. Nobody in any of these citations is guarding a grave. They&#8217;re describing a mood: empty streets, dim lighting, and the particular loneliness of being awake while the rest of the world sleeps.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The part most people miss</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Here&#8217;s the twist: the buried-alive story didn&#8217;t emerge gradually as folklore usually does. Fact-checkers at outlets like AAP FactCheck have traced it to a specific chain email, popularly titled &#8216;Life in the 1500s,&#8217; that spread widely by 1999 and bundled several phrases together — claiming &#8216;graveyard shift,&#8217; &#8216;dead ringer,&#8217; and &#8216;saved by the bell&#8217; all descended from a supposed historical practice of tying a string from a corpse&#8217;s finger to an above-ground bell, in case the person had been buried alive. It&#8217;s a matched set of fake etymologies, not three separate legends that happened to agree. And each one falls apart on its own: &#8216;dead ringer&#8217; actually comes from 19th-century horse racing slang for a fraudulent lookalike substituted into a race, and &#8216;saved by the bell&#8217; is boxing terminology, documented in print as far back as a February 1909 issue of the Galveston Daily News, describing a fighter rescued from a knockout by the bell ending the round. The graveyard shift simply never needed rescuing from anything — it was mislabeled from the start.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Sources</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">David Wilton, Wordorigins.org, entry on &#8216;graveyard shift,&#8217; citing the Oxford English Dictionary and Green&#8217;s Dictionary of Slang.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Gary Martin, The Phrase Finder (phrases.org.uk), &#8216;Graveyard Shift — Meaning &#038; Origin.&#8217;</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">AAP FactCheck, &#8216;Phrase origins linked to burials is dead wrong.&#8217;</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Explore more: <a href="https://fyitales.com/category/words-phrases/">more word and phrase origin stories</a>.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">graveyard shift FAQs</h2>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Does &#8216;graveyard shift&#8217; have anything to do with people being buried alive?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">No. That story traces back to a 1999 chain email, not to any historical practice. Etymologists find no evidence connecting the phrase to grave-watching or safety coffins.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">What&#8217;s the earliest known use of &#8216;graveyard shift&#8217; in print?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">August 9, 1884, in a trade paper called The Mining Record, describing an Arizona mine crew going underground at 6 p.m. under superintendent Hammond.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Why is it called the &#8216;graveyard&#8217; shift instead of something else?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Because the overnight hours felt as dark, empty, and quiet as a cemetery. Sailors used a nearly identical term, &#8216;graveyard watch,&#8217; for the same reason.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Are &#8216;dead ringer&#8217; and &#8216;saved by the bell&#8217; also fake burial legends?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The burial explanation for both is fake, yes — but the real origins are unrelated to graveyard shift. &#8216;Dead ringer&#8217; comes from horse racing, and &#8216;saved by the bell&#8217; comes from boxing.</p>
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		<title>Why Do We Call an Unlikely Win a &#8220;Long Shot&#8221;?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 22:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>On May 10, 1913, a horse named Donerail crossed the finish line at Churchill Downs half a length ahead of the favorite. His own owner, Thomas P. Hayes, had been reluctant to even enter him. The odds were 91 to 1 — still, more than a century later, the longest odds ever to win the ... <a title="Why Do We Call an Unlikely Win a &#8220;Long Shot&#8221;?" class="read-more" href="https://fyitales.com/long-shot-phrase-origin-horse-racing-muskets/" aria-label="Read more about Why Do We Call an Unlikely Win a &#8220;Long Shot&#8221;?">Read more</a></p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="wp-block-paragraph">On May 10, 1913, a horse named Donerail crossed the finish line at Churchill Downs half a length ahead of the favorite. His own owner, Thomas P. Hayes, had been reluctant to even enter him. The odds were 91 to 1 — still, more than a century later, the longest odds ever to win the Kentucky Derby. A $2 bet on Donerail paid $184.90. He was, in every sense of the phrase, a long shot.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It&#8217;s tempting to assume the phrase was born at a racetrack like that one. It wasn&#8217;t — the words started life three centuries earlier, describing a soldier&#8217;s gun. But here&#8217;s the twist most retellings get wrong: the betting sense isn&#8217;t a Gilded Age add-on borrowed decades after the fact. The dictionary&#8217;s own paper trail puts a horse-racing wager in the phrase&#8217;s figurative origin story almost as early as the phrase itself existed.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Quick answer</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;Long shot&#8221; began in the 1590s as a term for long-range gunfire and the soldiers who fired it — an attempt unlikely to hit its mark. The leap to &#8220;an unlikely bet&#8221; happened much earlier than many word-history sites claim: the Oxford English Dictionary&#8217;s earliest citation for that figurative sense is from 1796, and it&#8217;s a line about a wager on a horse race.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">A soldier, then a gun, then a gamble</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Oxford English Dictionary&#8217;s earliest known use of &#8220;long shot&#8221; in English dates to 1595, in Abraham Hartwell&#8217;s translation of Giovanni Tommaso Minadoi&#8217;s History of the Warres betweene the Turkes and the Persians. There it names a unit of long-barreled guns — &#8220;the Long-shot&#8221; — not the idea of unlikely odds at all.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Over the following two centuries, the meaning drifted from the weapon to what the weapon usually failed to do. Early muskets were smoothbore, with no rifling to stabilize a ball in flight, which made them wildly inaccurate past 50 to 100 yards against a human target, even though the ball itself could carry much farther. Firing at the outer edge of a gun&#8217;s range, and actually hitting anything, came down mostly to luck. That near-hopeless attempt is what &#8220;a long shot&#8221; came to mean figuratively: a bet against the odds.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The racetrack was there from the start</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Here&#8217;s the part that upends the tidy &#8220;gunnery term, later borrowed by racetracks&#8221; version of the story: the OED&#8217;s earliest citation for &#8220;long shot&#8221; used to mean an unlikely wager isn&#8217;t a gambling manual or a soldier&#8217;s memoir. It&#8217;s a line from 1796 — &#8216;Robin thought half a noble a long shot&#8217; — cited by the dictionary specifically for its horse-racing sense. A noble was an old English gold coin; &#8220;half a noble&#8221; was simply the stake someone judged too rich a bet to expect to win.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That&#8217;s more than a century earlier than some etymology sites suggest. The Online Etymology Dictionary, for instance, currently dates the general figurative sense of &#8220;long shot&#8221; (something unlikely, full stop) to 1867. The OED&#8217;s own citation file tells a different story — the wagering sense already existed, tied specifically to a horse race, in the late 18th century. Word histories aren&#8217;t always tidy, and this is a case where two respected sources genuinely disagree on the timeline.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">What both agree on is that the phrase was well embedded in American speech by the mid-1800s. &#8220;By a long shot,&#8221; meaning &#8220;by a considerable margin,&#8221; shows up in Mary Boykin Chesnut&#8217;s Civil War diary in 1861, when a soldier is asked whether troops get paid every week and answers, &#8220;Not by a long shot.&#8221; By then the gunnery image was already fading into pure idiom — nobody in that exchange was talking about rifles, let alone racehorses.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The part most people miss</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Long shots are bad bets almost by design, and bettors keep making them anyway. In 1949, researcher R. M. Griffith published one of the first studies of American racetrack wagering and found that bettors as a group consistently overvalue long shots and undervalue favorites — a pattern now known as the favourite-longshot bias. Betting favorites loses money at a fairly steady, modest rate over time; betting long shots loses money much faster. The math has favored the favorite for at least 75 years of recorded data. People keep taking the long shot anyway, for roughly the same reason the phrase has survived: a story where the underdog wins is simply more satisfying than one where the sure thing does — which is exactly why Donerail&#8217;s name still gets repeated over a century later, while that Derby&#8217;s favorite is largely forgotten.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Sources</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Phrases.org.uk, &#8220;Not By a Long Shot,&#8221; citing the Oxford English Dictionary&#8217;s 1595 attestation (Abraham Hartwell&#8217;s translation of Minadoi) and Mary Boykin Chesnut&#8217;s 1861 Civil War diary.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Suzanne Arnold, &#8220;Origin stories: long shot,&#8221; summarizing the Oxford English Dictionary&#8217;s 1796 citation for the horse-racing/wagering sense of the phrase.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Etymonline (Online Etymology Dictionary), entry for &#8220;long shot,&#8221; for the competing 1867 dating of the general figurative sense and the 1830 dating of &#8220;by a long shot.&#8221;</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Wikipedia, &#8220;1913 Kentucky Derby,&#8221; for details on Donerail&#8217;s 91-1 win, jockey Roscoe Goose, and owner-trainer Thomas P. Hayes; and Wikipedia, &#8220;Favourite-longshot bias,&#8221; for the betting research originating with R. M. Griffith&#8217;s 1949 study.</p>
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading">long shot FAQs</h2>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">What does &#8220;long shot&#8221; originally mean?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It originally referred to a long-barreled gun and, by extension, soldiers who used one — the Oxford English Dictionary&#8217;s earliest citation is from 1595. The meaning later shifted to describe the low odds of actually hitting a target from that range with an inaccurate early firearm.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Does &#8220;long shot&#8221; come from horse racing?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Horse racing is tied to the phrase earlier than many people assume. The Oxford English Dictionary&#8217;s earliest citation for the figurative &#8220;unlikely bet&#8221; sense, from 1796, is specifically about a wager on a horse race — though other dictionaries date the general figurative sense later, so the exact timeline is genuinely disputed among sources.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">What&#8217;s the biggest long-shot win in Kentucky Derby history?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Donerail, at 91-1 odds in 1913, remains the longest-odds winner in Kentucky Derby history — a record that has stood for over a century.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Is betting on long shots actually a good strategy?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Statistically, no. Research on the favourite-longshot bias, dating back to R. M. Griffith&#8217;s 1949 study, shows bettors as a group overpay for long shots relative to their real chances, so favorites lose money at a slower average rate than long shots do.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2026 05:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Say &#8220;riding shotgun&#8221; and everyone pictures the same movie scene: a stagecoach thundering across the desert, the driver hunched over the reins, and beside him a grim-faced guard with a scattergun scanning the ridgeline for outlaws. It&#8217;s such a vivid image that surely, the thinking goes, real stagecoach guards used those exact words back in ... <a title="Nobody Rode Shotgun in the Old West — So Why Do We Say It?" class="read-more" href="https://fyitales.com/riding-shotgun-origin-front-seat/" aria-label="Read more about Nobody Rode Shotgun in the Old West — So Why Do We Say It?">Read more</a></p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Say &#8220;riding shotgun&#8221; and everyone pictures the same movie scene: a stagecoach thundering across the desert, the driver hunched over the reins, and beside him a grim-faced guard with a scattergun scanning the ridgeline for outlaws. It&#8217;s such a vivid image that surely, the thinking goes, real stagecoach guards used those exact words back in the 1870s.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">They didn&#8217;t. The job was real. The guards, the shotguns, even a few of their names, are on the historical record. The phrase &#8220;riding shotgun,&#8221; though, appears to have been invented decades later by a novelist reaching back for authentic-sounding cowboy talk, and it took Hollywood, pulp fiction, and a generation of teenagers claiming car seats to turn it into the everyday phrase it is now.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Quick answer</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;Riding shotgun&#8221; means sitting in a vehicle&#8217;s front passenger seat. It nods to the real 19th-century job of the armed &#8220;shotgun messenger&#8221; who guarded stagecoach strongboxes, but researchers who&#8217;ve combed period newspapers and novels have found no evidence anyone actually said &#8220;riding shotgun&#8221; during the stagecoach era itself. The phrase surfaces in print starting in 1905, gets popularized by Western novels and films, and isn&#8217;t applied to automobiles in print until 1954.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The guards were real. The phrase, not yet.</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Wells Fargo &#038; Co. began running stagecoaches out of the California Gold Rush boom in the 1850s, and as holdups became a routine hazard, the company started paying armed men to ride beside the driver and protect the strongbox. By the 1870s these men had a job title: &#8220;shotgun messenger.&#8221; They typically carried a short double-barreled 10- or 12-gauge coach gun loaded with buckshot, sat to the driver&#8217;s left on the box, and their numbers grew fast, from roughly 35 messengers company-wide in the mid-1870s to around 200 by 1885, according to the Wikipedia-documented history of the role.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The job could turn deadly in an instant. On the night of March 15, 1881, a Kinnear &#038; Co. stagecoach carrying Wells Fargo silver bullion was ambushed near Contention, Arizona. Bob Paul was the line&#8217;s regular Wells Fargo shotgun messenger, and Eli &#8220;Bud&#8221; Philpot was its regular driver, but the two had swapped positions that night, with Paul taking the reins and Philpot riding the messenger&#8217;s seat, by most accounts because the driver wasn&#8217;t feeling well. When the robbers opened fire on the guard&#8217;s seat, expecting to hit the armed messenger, they killed Philpot instead. Paul, holding the reins, fired back with his own shotgun and drove the panicked team to safety. It&#8217;s the kind of scene that later fueled a hundred Westerns. But at the time, newspapers and company records called the guard&#8217;s job a &#8220;messenger&#8221; or &#8220;shotgun messenger,&#8221; not a man &#8220;riding shotgun.&#8221;</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">A novelist coined the phrase, then Hollywood ran with it</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The earliest print appearance etymologists point to is 1905, in Alfred Henry Lewis&#8217;s novel The Sunset Trail, which fictionalizes Wyatt Earp&#8217;s years working for an express company: &#8220;They went often as guards — &#8216;riding shotgun,&#8217; it was called — when the stage bore unusual treasure.&#8221; Solid, independently verified citations pick up from there: a May 1919 Ogden (Utah) Examiner headline, &#8220;Ross Will Again Ride Shotgun on Old Stage Coach,&#8221; and a March 1921 Washington Post pulp story, &#8220;The Fighting Fool&#8221; by Dane Coolidge, both use it as established slang for a magazine-reading public.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">From there the phrase became a Western-genre fixture. John Ford&#8217;s 1939 film Stagecoach put the line in a character&#8217;s mouth for millions of moviegoers, and pulp novels and B-Westerns through the 1930s and &#8217;40s kept repeating it until it sounded like something cowhands must have said around every campfire. Wikipedia&#8217;s own entry on shotgun messengers is blunt about the gap: the terms &#8220;riding shotgun&#8221; and &#8220;shotgun rider&#8221; were coined by 20th-century novelists and were unknown in the actual Old West.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The part most people miss</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The leap from stagecoach slang to car culture didn&#8217;t happen right away, and it didn&#8217;t happen the way you&#8217;d expect. Etymology researchers at The Straight Dope, digging through the Dictionary of Americanisms and the Dictionary of American Regional English, traced the earliest print use of &#8220;riding shotgun&#8221; for a car ride to 1954, nearly fifty years after Lewis&#8217;s novel. The shorthand version, just &#8220;shotgun,&#8221; as in kids yelling &#8220;I call shotgun!&#8221; to claim the best seat, is even younger: the earliest documented use traces to teenagers in Jackson, Mississippi, in the mid-to-late 1950s, and by 1967 DARE researchers found it common slang across the western United States. In other words, the phrase most of us learned as playground law wasn&#8217;t fully in place until the era of tailfins and drive-in movies, which is to say, closer to us in time than to the stagecoach it&#8217;s supposedly named for.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Sources</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Wikipedia&#8217;s entries on &#8220;Shotgun messenger,&#8221; &#8220;Riding shotgun,&#8221; and &#8220;Robert H. Paul,&#8221; which document the Wells Fargo guard role, the March 15, 1881 robbery near Contention, Arizona, the seat swap between Bob Paul and Eli &#8220;Bud&#8221; Philpot, and the explicit note that the phrase was a 20th-century novelists&#8217; invention.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Straight Dope&#8217;s etymology investigation, &#8220;What&#8217;s the origin of &#8216;riding shotgun&#8217;?,&#8221; which traces the phrase through the 1919 Ogden Examiner, 1921 Washington Post pulp fiction, and 1954 automobile citations using the Dictionary of Americanisms and Dictionary of American Regional English.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Alfred Henry Lewis&#8217;s 1905 novel The Sunset Trail, cited across multiple etymology sources as the earliest known print appearance of the exact phrase &#8220;riding shotgun.&#8221;</p>
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading">riding shotgun FAQs</h2>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Did real Old West stagecoach guards say &#8220;riding shotgun&#8221;?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">No clear evidence of it. The guards were real and were called &#8220;shotgun messengers,&#8221; but the phrase &#8220;riding shotgun&#8221; doesn&#8217;t turn up in print until 1905, after the stagecoach era had largely ended.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Where does &#8220;riding shotgun&#8221; first appear in writing?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The earliest known appearance is Alfred Henry Lewis&#8217;s 1905 novel The Sunset Trail, followed by confirmed newspaper and pulp-fiction citations in 1919 and 1921.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">When did people start saying &#8220;riding shotgun&#8221; about cars?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The earliest documented car usage dates to 1954, with the shortened &#8220;shotgun&#8221;/&#8221;call shotgun&#8221; spreading among teenagers in the late 1950s and becoming widespread U.S. slang by 1967.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">What did a real shotgun messenger actually do?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">They rode beside the stagecoach driver, primarily to protect the express company&#8217;s strongbox of cash or valuables rather than the passengers, carrying a short double-barreled 10- or 12-gauge shotgun.</p>
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		<title>The Racetrack Tip That Made New York the Big Apple</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 10:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>In the spring of 1921, a horse-racing reporter typed nine words that outlived every horse he ever covered. Buried in a New York Morning Telegraph column about a trainer shipping his string north for the season, John J. Fitz Gerald mentioned an unremarkable-sounding destination: &#8220;the big apple.&#8221; He had no idea he&#8217;d just given the ... <a title="The Racetrack Tip That Made New York the Big Apple" class="read-more" href="https://fyitales.com/why-new-york-called-big-apple/" aria-label="Read more about The Racetrack Tip That Made New York the Big Apple">Read more</a></p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In the spring of 1921, a horse-racing reporter typed nine words that outlived every horse he ever covered. Buried in a New York Morning Telegraph column about a trainer shipping his string north for the season, John J. Fitz Gerald mentioned an unremarkable-sounding destination: &#8220;the big apple.&#8221; He had no idea he&#8217;d just given the most famous city on Earth its nickname.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The real story isn&#8217;t a marketing stunt dreamed up by a copywriter — it starts on the backstretch of a Louisiana racetrack, gets carried north by stable hands nobody bothered to name, nearly dies out completely, and only survives because an ad man dug it back up during one of New York&#8217;s roughest decades. Here&#8217;s what the record actually shows.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Quick answer</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">New York is called the Big Apple because sportswriter John J. Fitz Gerald popularized the phrase in his New York Morning Telegraph horse-racing column starting in 1921, after hearing Black stable hands at a New Orleans racetrack use it to describe New York&#8217;s top-tier tracks. The nickname faded by the late 1950s, then was deliberately revived in 1971 by New York City&#8217;s tourism bureau.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">A Tip Overheard at the Fair Grounds</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Fitz Gerald covered thoroughbred racing for the Morning Telegraph, and in his May 3, 1921 column he wrote that a trainer&#8217;s horses, including one called Tippity Witchet, were &#8220;scheduled to start for &#8216;the big apple&#8217; to-morrow&#8221; after a strong spring at the Maryland tracks. It read like racetrack shorthand because it was one — Fitz Gerald later credited two unnamed Black stable hands he&#8217;d overheard at the Fair Grounds Race Course in New Orleans, discussing where a horse was headed next. To them, &#8220;the big apple&#8221; meant New York: the richest purses, the toughest fields, the place every serious horseman wanted to reach.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Etymologist Barry Popik spent years cross-referencing racing schedules and dated that overheard conversation to around January 1920, more than a year before it made print. Fitz Gerald liked the phrase enough to name his column after it — &#8220;Around the Big Apple&#8221; — and by February 1924 he was writing flatly: &#8220;There&#8217;s only one Big Apple. That&#8217;s New York.&#8221;</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">From the Backstretch to the Bandstand</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The phrase mostly stayed inside racing circles through the 1920s, but jazz musicians picked it up in the following decade and gave it a second life. Touring bands used to say there were &#8220;many apples on the tree,&#8221; but playing New York — the biggest stages, the best-paying gigs — meant you&#8217;d made it to the Big Apple. The line inspired a dance craze and a hit song of the same name in the late 1930s, tying the nickname to Harlem&#8217;s nightlife almost as tightly as to the racetrack.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Then it nearly vanished. Columnist Walter Winchell kept using it into the early 1950s, but by decade&#8217;s end &#8220;the Big Apple&#8221; sounded dated, and most New Yorkers had quietly dropped it. It took a city in crisis to bring it back: in the early 1970s, with tourism sagging, Charles Gillett of the New York Convention and Visitors Bureau resurrected the old jazz-and-racetrack phrase for a promotional campaign built around a red apple logo. Volunteers handed out real apples on street corners, and this time the name stuck for good.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The part most people miss</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Fitz Gerald&#8217;s 1921 column isn&#8217;t actually the oldest print sighting of &#8220;big apple.&#8221; Writer Edward Sandford Martin used the phrase back in 1909, in a book called The Wayfarer in New York, describing the nation&#8217;s wealth flowing toward the city the way sap feeds one fruit while the rest of the tree gets comparatively little. But language researcher William Safire and others draw a line between a one-off metaphor and an adopted nickname — Martin coined an image; Fitz Gerald, quoting working horsemen, gave the city a name people actually kept using. There&#8217;s also a persistent legend that the nickname traces to a Manhattan brothel madam named Eve, which the same researchers have traced and debunked as a much later invention with no historical backing. The honest version is messier and better: unnamed Black stable hands&#8217; racetrack slang, kept alive by one sportswriter&#8217;s ear for a good line, and saved decades later by an ad campaign.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Sources</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This account draws on Barry Popik&#8217;s etymological research documenting the May 3, 1921 New York Morning Telegraph citation and Fitz Gerald&#8217;s later columns; the Wikipedia entry for &#8220;Big Apple,&#8221; which compiles the Edward Sandford Martin citation, the jazz-era usage, and the 1971 tourism campaign; and the New York Public Library&#8217;s history of the nickname, based on Gerald Cohen and Barry Popik&#8217;s book Origin of New York City&#8217;s Nickname &#8216;The Big Apple.&#8217;</p>
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading">the Big Apple FAQs</h2>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Who actually coined the term &#8216;Big Apple&#8217; for New York?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">No single person coined it outright. Unnamed Black stable hands at a New Orleans racetrack used the phrase around 1920; sportswriter John J. Fitz Gerald overheard it, printed it in 1921, and made it famous.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Why did New York almost stop being called the Big Apple?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The nickname faded after its 1920s-1930s heyday in horse racing and jazz circles. By the late 1950s it sounded old-fashioned and largely dropped out of everyday use until a 1971 tourism campaign revived it.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Is the story about a brothel owner named Eve true?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">No. That&#8217;s a popular but unsupported legend. Researchers who traced the nickname&#8217;s actual print history found no evidence connecting it to a brothel madam.</p>
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		<title>Letting the Cat Out of the Bag: Was It Really Market Fraud?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2026 06:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Picture a medieval market stall. A farmer hands over a squirming, tied sack and swears there&#8217;s a fat suckling pig inside. The buyer, suspicious, loosens the string right there in the street — and out springs a hissing cat instead of dinner. Scam exposed. Secret revealed. Idiom born. It&#8217;s a wonderful story, and it&#8217;s the ... <a title="Letting the Cat Out of the Bag: Was It Really Market Fraud?" class="read-more" href="https://fyitales.com/let-the-cat-out-of-the-bag-market-fraud-origin/" aria-label="Read more about Letting the Cat Out of the Bag: Was It Really Market Fraud?">Read more</a></p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Picture a medieval market stall. A farmer hands over a squirming, tied sack and swears there&#8217;s a fat suckling pig inside. The buyer, suspicious, loosens the string right there in the street — and out springs a hissing cat instead of dinner. Scam exposed. Secret revealed. Idiom born. It&#8217;s a wonderful story, and it&#8217;s the one told in nearly every listicle about where &#8216;letting the cat out of the bag&#8217; comes from.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There&#8217;s just one problem: nobody has ever found a farmer, a court record, a merchant&#8217;s diary, or a single documented case of this actually happening. What historians have found is stranger — the oldest surviving printed use of the phrase is a snarky 1760 book review, and even that review talks about the cat-and-bag saying like everyone already knows it. The real origin, whatever it was, had already slipped into the language and vanished from the record before anyone bothered to write it down.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Quick answer</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The earliest print appearance anyone has found of &#8216;let the cat out of the bag&#8217; is a pun in an April 1760 London Magazine book review — but that&#8217;s just the earliest surviving evidence, not the moment the phrase was invented. The reviewer used it as an offhand joke, which tells researchers the expression was already familiar to readers by then. The popular market-fraud origin — where a cat is secretly swapped for a piglet — is a plausible-sounding 19th-century folk explanation that no documentary evidence actually supports.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">A farmer, a sack, and a furious customer</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The market-fraud theory has real bones to it, which is why it spreads so easily. &#8216;Pig in a poke&#8217; — a poke being an old word for a small sack — really is centuries old. English playwright John Heywood recorded it in 1555: &#8216;I wyll neuer bye the pyg in the poke / Thers many a foule pyg in a feyre cloke,&#8217; meaning don&#8217;t buy something sight unseen, because a fair wrapper can hide a foul deal. Some sources trace poke-related sayings even earlier, into the 1500s and possibly before.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And the cat-swap idea isn&#8217;t pure invention — it&#8217;s genuinely how the equivalent idiom works in other languages. Dutch has &#8216;een kat in de zak kopen&#8217; and German has &#8216;die Katze im Sack kaufen,&#8217; both literally &#8216;to buy a cat in the sack,&#8217; both meaning to get swindled. So somewhere in European market culture, the image of a hidden cat standing in for stolen value was clearly alive and well. It just doesn&#8217;t line up cleanly with the English phrase&#8217;s own paper trail.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The paper trail says something else</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Word-history researchers who&#8217;ve dug through old print archives — including the etymology site Word Histories and the long-running Phrase Finder — have located the oldest known English-language appearance of &#8216;let the cat out of the bag&#8217; in a book review in the April 1760 London Magazine. A critic, reviewing a novel called The Life and Adventures of a Cat, complained: &#8216;We could have wished that the strange genius, author of this piece, had not let the cat out of the bag; for it is such a mad, ranting, swearing, caterwauling puss, that we fear no sober family will be troubled with her.&#8217;</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That&#8217;s a pun, and puns only land if the audience already gets the reference. The reviewer isn&#8217;t explaining a new phrase — they&#8217;re assuming readers already know it well enough to catch the wordplay on the book&#8217;s own title. That single detail is the tell that historians point to: the real coining of the phrase happened earlier, probably in speech, and simply wasn&#8217;t written down anywhere that has survived. The cat-and-bag saying and &#8216;pig in a poke,&#8217; meanwhile, never once appear together in any print source from that era or earlier. If the cat-in-a-sack swindle were the actual backstory, you&#8217;d expect at least one writer, somewhere before 1760, to reference the two side by side. Nobody does — not until the 19th century, when writers explaining the phrase&#8217;s meaning started stitching the two sayings into one tidy folk tale.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The part most people miss</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Here&#8217;s the layer almost every quick explainer skips: it&#8217;s likely the two idioms were never actually related at all — they were merged after the fact because they rhymed thematically, not historically. &#8216;Pig in a poke&#8217; is about buying something blind and getting cheated. &#8216;Let the cat out of the bag&#8217; is about revealing a secret. By the time 19th-century writers went looking for an explanation, the phrase&#8217;s genuine origin was already unrecoverable — the 1760 magazine pun was just the earliest scrap anyone could dig up, and it was too thin and too mundane to satisfy anyone wanting a proper backstory. So the two idioms got welded into a single, satisfying-sounding scam story — and it stuck so well that it&#8217;s now the default answer everywhere from bar trivia to classroom worksheets. The genuinely interesting mystery isn&#8217;t the fake medieval con — it&#8217;s that we may never know where the phrase truly came from, only that it was already old news by the time anyone thought to write it down.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Sources</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Wikipedia&#8217;s entries on &#8216;Letting the cat out of the bag&#8217; and &#8216;Pig in a poke,&#8217; which trace the earliest documented citations and lay out the naval cat-o&#8217;-nine-tails alternative theory.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Word Histories (wordhistories.net), whose research into 18th-century print archives locates the 1760 London Magazine book review as the earliest confirmed English print appearance and explains why its phrasing shows the expression was already established, as well as why the pig-swap story is considered later folk etymology.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Phrase Finder (phrases.org.uk), which cross-references the Dutch and German cat-in-a-sack cognates and assesses the competing origin theories.</p>
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading">let the cat out of the bag FAQs</h2>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Did people really sell cats as piglets at markets?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There&#8217;s no documented case of it. The idea is plausible-sounding folklore that got attached to the phrase in the 1800s, long after the phrase itself first appeared in print.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">What&#8217;s the earliest known written use of the phrase?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A pun in an April 1760 issue of The London Magazine, in a review joking that the author of a novel called The Life and Adventures of a Cat had &#8216;let the cat out of the bag.&#8217; That&#8217;s the oldest surviving record, not the moment the phrase was coined — the pun itself shows readers already knew the saying.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Is &#8216;pig in a poke&#8217; related to &#8216;let the cat out of the bag&#8217;?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">They&#8217;re often paired in explanations, but no print source links them before the 19th century — &#8216;pig in a poke&#8217; is far older (1555, possibly earlier) and originally stood on its own.</p>
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		<title>Mind Your Ps and Qs: Three Rival Theories, No Official Winner</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2026 10:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Ask three etymologists where &#8216;mind your Ps and Qs&#8217; comes from and you&#8217;ll get three confident, colorful, mutually exclusive answers. One will tell you it&#8217;s a bartender&#8217;s warning about pints and quarts. Another will swear it&#8217;s a printer&#8217;s apprentice fumbling backward metal type. A third will insist it&#8217;s a French dancing master murmuring instructions about ... <a title="Mind Your Ps and Qs: Three Rival Theories, No Official Winner" class="read-more" href="https://fyitales.com/mind-your-ps-and-qs-origin/" aria-label="Read more about Mind Your Ps and Qs: Three Rival Theories, No Official Winner">Read more</a></p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Ask three etymologists where &#8216;mind your Ps and Qs&#8217; comes from and you&#8217;ll get three confident, colorful, mutually exclusive answers. One will tell you it&#8217;s a bartender&#8217;s warning about pints and quarts. Another will swear it&#8217;s a printer&#8217;s apprentice fumbling backward metal type. A third will insist it&#8217;s a French dancing master murmuring instructions about feet and wig-tails. All three stories have been repeated in print for over a century. Only one of them has any dated evidence behind it at all.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Here&#8217;s the twist, though: even that one doesn&#8217;t have a confirmed origin. In 2007, editors revising the Oxford English Dictionary went digging through 18th-century archives and turned up citations nobody had connected to the phrase before. What they found made the alphabet-learning theory look far more plausible than the folklore — but the dictionary itself still stops short of calling it solved. Officially, the OED lists the origin as unknown. The story of why is more interesting than a tidy answer would have been.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Quick answer</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Oxford English Dictionary&#8217;s own published position is that the origin of &#8216;mind your Ps and Qs&#8217; is unknown, and it specifically calls the popular schoolroom/printing mix-up theory unlikely because it doesn&#8217;t match the chronology of early citations. What the OED&#8217;s 2007 revision did turn up were 18th-century citations — including a 1756 use and a 1763 poem by Charles Churchill — that use &#8216;Ps and Qs&#8217; in the context of a child learning the alphabet and general good behavior, which etymologists consider the best-supported (though still unproven) explanation. The pub-tally, printer&#8217;s-devil, and dancing-master stories all remain undocumented folklore.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Three suspects in the lineup</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The pub theory says 18th-century tavern keepers chalked drinkers&#8217; tabs in pints (P) and quarts (Q) on a slate behind the bar, and told rowdy patrons to &#8216;mind their Ps and Qs&#8217; — watch how much they were running up. It&#8217;s a great bar story. It&#8217;s also one nobody has ever traced to an actual tally slate, tavern record, or contemporary account. Etymologist Gary Martin, who runs the long-running reference site Phrase Finder, lists it among theories that sound plausible but lack any real supporting evidence beyond the coincidence of the letters matching the units.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The printing theory is older and more technical. Compositors set metal type by hand, letter by letter, backward and upside down, so it would read correctly on the page. Lowercase p and q are mirror images of each other in that layout, so a careless apprentice really could swap them. A letter to the journal Notes and Queries floated this explanation as early as 1851. It&#8217;s tidy and mechanically plausible — but it&#8217;s also the exact theory the OED singles out as unlikely, because the phrase&#8217;s earliest known uses don&#8217;t carry any printing or typesetting connotation at all.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Then there&#8217;s the long shot: French dancing masters supposedly telling students to mind their pieds (feet) and queues (the tails of their wigs, or a line of dancers) during formal steps. It&#8217;s the least supported of the bunch — there&#8217;s no equivalent French phrase for anyone to have translated in the first place, and no dated citation ties it to English usage.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">What the 2007 dig actually found — and didn&#8217;t settle</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When Oxford English Dictionary editors revised the entry for &#8216;mind your Ps and Qs,&#8217; they combed 18th-century print archives for the phrase&#8217;s earliest real appearances, not folklore, actual dated text. Among what surfaced was a 1763 poem by the satirist Charles Churchill, describing a boy being taught: &#8216;to instruct him how to use / His A&#8217;s and B&#8217;s, and P&#8217;s and Q&#8217;s.&#8217; There it sits, sandwiched between the ABCs, doing exactly the job of a beginner&#8217;s alphabet lesson. An earlier 1756 citation, from a comic work called The Life and Memoirs of Mr. Ephraim Tristram Bates, uses the phrase as general life advice — &#8216;mind your P&#8217;s and your Q&#8217;s&#8217; — right around the age when a child would still be sorting out which loopy letter was which.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Michael Quinion, who spent over two decades reading for the OED and chronicling word origins at World Wide Words, has argued these citations make the alphabet-lesson theory the phrase&#8217;s most defensible explanation. But that&#8217;s Quinion&#8217;s own reading of the evidence, not a settled OED ruling. The dictionary&#8217;s published entry is more cautious: it explicitly rejects the letter-confusion version of the theory as chronologically unlikely, and it still lists the phrase&#8217;s ultimate origin as unknown. In other words, the 2007 research narrowed the field and made one theory look stronger than the rest — it didn&#8217;t crown a winner.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The part most people miss</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Here&#8217;s the detail almost nobody mentions: the very earliest known use of anything resembling &#8216;mind your Ps and Qs&#8217; has nothing to do with letters, drinks, or dancing at all. In playwright Thomas Dekker&#8217;s 1602 comedy, and again in a 1612 poem by Samuel Rowlands, writers use phrases like &#8216;pee and kue&#8217; in passages about clothing and quality — decades before anyone was writing about alphabets or pub tabs. Etymologist David Wilton, author of Word Myths and the reference site Wordorigins.org, has traced several of these 17th-century sightings and cautions that nobody is confident they&#8217;re even the same expression; they may be unrelated coincidences of sound. It&#8217;s a reminder that phrase-hunting isn&#8217;t always a straight line — sometimes the paper trail has a false start hiding in it. And when lexicographer Francis Grose finally defined the phrase in his 1785 Classical Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue, he didn&#8217;t describe it as being about manners at all — he glossed it as being &#8216;attentive to the main chance,&#8217; meaning watch your own interests closely. The leap from &#8216;watch your own advantage&#8217; to &#8216;mind your alphabet&#8217; to today&#8217;s &#8216;behave nicely&#8217; took the phrase through several different meanings before it settled into the polite warning grandmothers give at the dinner table now — and the dictionary tasked with pinning down exactly how that happened still, officially, shrugs.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Sources</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Wikipedia&#8217;s entry &#8216;Mind your Ps and Qs,&#8217; which cites and quotes the Oxford English Dictionary&#8217;s third edition (2007 revision) directly on the phrase&#8217;s origin being unknown and the letter-confusion theory being unlikely.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">World Wide Words, article &#8216;Mind Your Ps and Qs&#8217; by Michael Quinion, longtime Oxford English Dictionary reader and contributor, describing the 1756 and 1763 citations uncovered during the 2007 OED revision.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Wordorigins.org, entry &#8216;Mind Your Ps and Qs&#8217; by etymologist David Wilton, author of Word Myths: Debunking Linguistic Urban Legends, cataloguing the phrase&#8217;s full citation history back to 1602.</p>
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading">mind your Ps and Qs FAQs</h2>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Does the Oxford English Dictionary say what &#8216;mind your Ps and Qs&#8217; really means?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">No — the OED&#8217;s published position is that the phrase&#8217;s origin is unknown. Its 2007 revision did uncover 18th-century citations that support the alphabet-learning theory as plausible, but the dictionary stops short of declaring it confirmed.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Does &#8216;mind your Ps and Qs&#8217; really come from pints and quarts at the pub?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There&#8217;s no documented evidence for this popular story — no surviving tally slates or tavern records use the phrase this way. Most etymologists treat it as a colorful folk explanation invented after the fact.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">What is the printer&#8217;s devil theory?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It holds that print apprentices confused mirror-image lowercase p and q while hand-setting backward metal type. The idea dates to an 1851 letter in Notes and Queries, but the OED specifically calls this version unlikely, since it doesn&#8217;t match the timeline of the phrase&#8217;s earliest known uses.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">When was &#8216;mind your Ps and Qs&#8217; first used in print?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Ambiguous phrases like &#8216;pee and kue&#8217; appear as early as 1602 and 1612, though their connection to the modern saying is uncertain. The clearest early match to today&#8217;s phrase and meaning dates to 1756, with a well-known alphabet-teaching citation from 1763.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Tales You Can Hold</h2>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2026 19:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>In 1763, an English naturalist named Gilbert White signed off a letter with seven X&#8217;s in a row, followed by a string of Latin prayers. For years, the Oxford English Dictionary held this up as the earliest known instance of X meaning a kiss in the English language. Then a researcher looked closer at what ... <a title="Why X Means a Kiss: The Legend vs. What Historians Found" class="read-more" href="https://fyitales.com/why-x-means-a-kiss/" aria-label="Read more about Why X Means a Kiss: The Legend vs. What Historians Found">Read more</a></p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In 1763, an English naturalist named Gilbert White signed off a letter with seven X&#8217;s in a row, followed by a string of Latin prayers. For years, the Oxford English Dictionary held this up as the earliest known instance of X meaning a kiss in the English language. Then a researcher looked closer at what came right after those X&#8217;s — and the dictionary quietly took the credit away.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The popular story is tidier: medieval peasants who couldn&#8217;t write signed documents with an X, then kissed the mark to swear they meant it, and the gesture stuck. It&#8217;s such a good story that even a blog literally named History Myths Debunked set out to knock it down and ended up printing the opposite verdict — while its own evidence quietly failed to back that verdict up.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Quick answer</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">X most likely became shorthand for a kiss through ordinary British courtship of the Victorian era, when sweethearts started signing off love letters with rows of little x&#8217;s sometime in the mid-to-late 1800s. The Oxford English Dictionary&#8217;s earliest confirmed print example dates to 1878. The popular tale — that it comes from illiterate people kissing an X they used as a legal signature — is repeated constantly and even endorsed by some myth-busting sources, but no one has actually produced a primary account of anyone doing it; X&#8217;s long-standing link to the Christian cross and the name of Christ is the real, documented part of the story.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">A cross, a signature, and a story with no witnesses</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The legend has good bones. In medieval Europe, people who couldn&#8217;t write their names really did mark documents with an X, and the mark carried real weight — X was the Greek letter chi, the first letter of Χριστός, Christ, which is why we still abbreviate Christmas as &#8220;Xmas.&#8221; A cross stood for faith, an oath, a bond you didn&#8217;t break. Letters and treaties were sometimes described as &#8220;sealed with a kiss,&#8221; the ancestor of the WWI-era acronym SWAK stamped on soldiers&#8217; envelopes home.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">What&#8217;s missing is the part everyone adds for free: that people actually kissed the X. The blog History Myths Debunked, which spends most of its time knocking down popular history legends, revisited this one in 2017 and reached the opposite verdict, declaring: &#8220;Sounds like a myth, but it&#8217;s true.&#8221; But its own explanation only supports half the claim — that X was a genuine, religiously loaded signature mark. On the kissing itself, a historian who commented on that same post noted flatly that &#8220;there are no known accounts of this practice,&#8221; and even the blog&#8217;s own timeline shows the first documented print use of X for a kiss doesn&#8217;t appear until the 1890s — centuries after the medieval signing custom it&#8217;s supposedly descended from. Wikipedia&#8217;s entry on the subject is blunter still, calling the signature-kissing origin &#8220;unscholarly speculation without definitive evidence.&#8221;</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The naturalist who almost got the credit</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Which brings us back to Gilbert White. His 1763 letter signs off, &#8220;I am, with many a xxxxxxx and many a Pater noster and Ave Maria, Gil White&#8221; — a line the OED once cited as the first recorded X-kiss. But Stephen Goranson, a researcher at Duke University, pointed out the obvious problem: those X&#8217;s sit directly beside Latin prayers, not sweet nothings. In context, they read far more like blessings or crosses than kisses. The OED agreed, moved the 1763 citation into brackets, and added a note saying it &#8220;seems more likely to show the sense &#8216;blessing.'&#8221;</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The dictionary&#8217;s new earliest confirmed citation is 1878, from English novelist Florence Montgomery&#8217;s novel Seaforth, which describes a letter closing with &#8220;the inevitable row of kisses,—sometimes expressed by × × × × ×, and sometimes by o o o o o o, according to the taste of the young scribbler.&#8221; From there the habit spread fast among ordinary letter-writers, not aristocrats or clergy. Historian Katie Barclay of Macquarie University, writing in The Conversation, points to an 1898 breach-of-promise lawsuit reported by the Halifax Evening Courier: a 32-year-old laundry maid named Harriet Ann McLean sued a suitor, green grocer Francis Charles Matthews, producing evidence of 1,030 letters carrying roughly 15,000 kisses exchanged over their decade-long courtship — and won. A teenage Winston Churchill got in on the habit too, signing off an 1894 letter to his mother with a row of x&#8217;s.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The part most people miss</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The real twist isn&#8217;t the origin story — it&#8217;s how easily even a fact-checking source can end up endorsing a legend it can&#8217;t actually document. History Myths Debunked set out to test the medieval-signature claim and confidently called it true, but its own reasoning only proves the parts that were never in dispute (X was a real signature, X was tied to Christ). The one specific, vivid detail everyone repeats — the kiss itself — is the part nobody can source, on that blog or anywhere else. Meanwhile nobody actually knows why O means a hug. A 2014 Washington Post investigation into the question concluded there&#8217;s simply no definitive answer, though one theory holds that some Jewish immigrants to North America, wary of drawing a cross-shaped X on documents, used O instead — a workaround that may have hitched a ride alongside the more popular X and eventually paired with it. The honest version of this history isn&#8217;t a single clean origin; it&#8217;s a Victorian letter-writing habit that caught on with ordinary people, got dressed up later with a tidier medieval backstory, and stuck around because the tidier version was simply more satisfying to repeat — satisfying enough to fool even the myth-busters.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Sources</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Oxford English Dictionary&#8217;s revised entry for &#8220;X,&#8221; as reflected in its reassessment of Gilbert White&#8217;s 1763 letter and its earliest confirmed citation from Florence Montgomery&#8217;s 1878 novel Seaforth, including the reinterpretation credited to Duke University researcher Stephen Goranson.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Katie Barclay, ARC Future Fellow and Professor at Macquarie University, &#8220;X has been used to represent love and kisses for centuries. But how did it start?&#8221; published in The Conversation.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">History Myths Debunked, &#8220;Revisited Myth #120: Using X for &#8216;kiss&#8217; comes from illiterate people signing a document and kissing their signature&#8221; (which concludes the legend is true but whose comment thread disputes the evidence for the kissing itself), and Wikipedia&#8217;s &#8220;Hugs and kisses&#8221; article, which calls the signature-kissing origin unscholarly speculation and summarizes further reporting including a 2014 Washington Post investigation into the origin of &#8220;O.&#8221;</p>
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading">X (kiss symbol) FAQs</h2>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Did medieval people really kiss the X they signed with?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Nobody has found a documented account of it. X was genuinely used as a signature and carried religious weight tied to the Christian cross, but even sources that call the legend &#8220;true&#8221; can&#8217;t point to a primary record of anyone actually kissing the mark.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">What&#8217;s the earliest confirmed use of X to mean a kiss?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Oxford English Dictionary&#8217;s earliest confirmed print example is from 1878, in Florence Montgomery&#8217;s novel Seaforth. An earlier 1763 letter by naturalist Gilbert White was once credited but has since been reinterpreted as referring to blessings, not kisses.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Why does O mean a hug?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">No one knows for certain. It&#8217;s less documented than X, and the leading theories — including one tied to Jewish immigrants avoiding the cross-like shape of X — remain unconfirmed.</p>
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		<title>Why Wishing Someone Harm Became Theatre&#8217;s Good Luck Charm</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2026 23:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Right before the curtain goes up, someone backstage will lean in and whisper the strangest thing you can say to a nervous performer: I hope you break your leg. Not &#8216;you&#8217;ll be great.&#8217; Not &#8216;good luck.&#8217; A wish for a broken bone, delivered with a straight face, and taken as a genuine kindness. The tidy ... <a title="Why Wishing Someone Harm Became Theatre&#8217;s Good Luck Charm" class="read-more" href="https://fyitales.com/why-actors-say-break-a-leg/" aria-label="Read more about Why Wishing Someone Harm Became Theatre&#8217;s Good Luck Charm">Read more</a></p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Right before the curtain goes up, someone backstage will lean in and whisper the strangest thing you can say to a nervous performer: I hope you break your leg. Not &#8216;you&#8217;ll be great.&#8217; Not &#8216;good luck.&#8217; A wish for a broken bone, delivered with a straight face, and taken as a genuine kindness.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The tidy explanation you&#8217;ve probably heard — something about Vaudeville performers only getting paid if they made it onstage past the &#8216;leg line&#8217; of curtains — sounds great at a dinner party. It&#8217;s also almost certainly false. The real trail is messier, involves a 1921 magazine essay about horse racing and a novelist&#8217;s memoir from the eve of World War II, and quite possibly a squadron of German fighter pilots. Nobody has ever nailed it down completely, and that unsolved gap is the actual story.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Quick answer</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Actors say &#8216;break a leg&#8217; because of an old superstition that wishing someone &#8216;good luck&#8217; out loud would jinx them, so performers began saying the opposite instead. The earliest documented theatrical use is from novelist Edna Ferber&#8217;s 1939 autobiography, though the underlying superstition — and possibly the phrase itself — likely arrived from German or Yiddish-speaking performers even earlier. The popular &#8216;Vaudeville leg-line payment&#8217; story is a myth with no supporting evidence.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">A jinx, a racetrack, and a very old fear of good luck</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The earliest documented cousin of the phrase shows up nowhere near a stage. In October 1921, writer Robert Wilson Lynd published an essay called &#8216;A Defence of Superstition&#8217; in the British magazine The New Statesman. Describing the superstitions of gamblers, Lynd wrote that instead of saying &#8216;Good luck&#8217; to someone, you should say something insulting — like &#8216;May you break your leg!&#8217; He was talking about horse racing, not theatre.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That&#8217;s the pattern behind the phrase: performers, gamblers, and pilots have long shared a belief that saying good fortune out loud invites bad fortune to come listen. Wishing someone harm, ironically, was safer — it tricked whatever forces were eavesdropping. Theatre folklore is full of these inversions: never say the actual name of &#8216;the Scottish play&#8217; inside a theatre, never whistle in the wings, never wish an actor &#8216;good luck&#8217; to their face.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">From a novelist&#8217;s memoir to Broadway dressing rooms</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The earliest confirmed sighting of the phrase actually inside a theatre comes from an unexpected source: Pulitzer-winning novelist Edna Ferber. In her 1939 autobiography A Peculiar Treasure, Ferber describes watching understudies sitting in the back row, &#8216;politely wishing the various principals would break a leg&#8217; — a sly, double-edged joke, since an understudy secretly wants the lead to get hurt so they can go on instead. It&#8217;s the earliest print evidence anyone has found of the phrase living inside a real theatre.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The phrase most researchers now point to as theatre&#8217;s likely deeper source isn&#8217;t English at all. German has a long-standing expression, Hals- und Beinbruch — literally &#8216;neck and leg break&#8217; — used as a good-luck send-off, notably among German aviators. Some etymologists trace that phrase further back to the Yiddish hatslokhe un brokhe (&#8216;success and blessing&#8217;), itself rooted in Hebrew, garbled through translation into something that sounds like a wish for broken bones.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">American theatre in the early 20th century had heavy overlap with German- and Yiddish-speaking immigrant performers, which is the most plausible bridge for how a European &#8216;opposite luck&#8217; idiom crossed over into English-language greenrooms. It&#8217;s a theory, not a proven chain of custody — but it fits the timeline better than the story most people repeat. That more famous story — that actors got paid only if they performed and &#8216;broke&#8217; past the legs (side curtains) of the stage — has been thoroughly debunked by theatre historians, including prop researcher Eric Hart, who notes the phrase is absent from American writing during Vaudeville&#8217;s actual heyday, and that &#8216;wings&#8217; rather than &#8216;legs&#8217; was the standard term for those curtains well into the 1950s. By 1948, the phrase was common enough that theatre historian Bernard Sobel spelled it out plainly in his Theatre Handbook and Digest of Plays: actors, he wrote, never say &#8216;good luck&#8217; — only &#8216;I hope you break a leg.&#8217;</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The part most people miss</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The two biggest theories you&#8217;ll hear tying the phrase to specific famous events — that it references John Wilkes Booth breaking his leg jumping to the stage after shooting Lincoln in 1865, or that it traces back to actress Sarah Bernhardt&#8217;s amputated leg — are both almost certainly false, and for the same simple reason: neither theory can explain why, if either event were the origin, nobody wrote the phrase down for decades afterward. Language doesn&#8217;t usually sit silent that long before catching on. Historians treat both as the kind of story that gets attached to a phrase after the fact because it&#8217;s more vivid than &#8216;nobody&#8217;s entirely sure.&#8217; What&#8217;s actually notable is that etymologists openly call &#8216;break a leg&#8217; a &#8216;dead metaphor&#8217; — a phrase so worn smooth by use that its literal meaning and origin have essentially detached from how people use it today. Most idioms we use daily have a similarly untraceable childhood; &#8216;break a leg&#8217; just happens to be one where the folklore got louder than the facts — and even the &#8216;earliest citation&#8217; keeps moving as researchers dig up older sources like Ferber&#8217;s memoir.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Sources</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Wikipedia&#8217;s entry on &#8216;Break a leg,&#8217; which compiles the citation history, including Edna Ferber&#8217;s 1939 autobiography A Peculiar Treasure, the Lynd 1921 New Statesman reference, and the competing etymological theories.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Eric Hart, theatrical prop researcher, &#8216;Why Do Theater People Say Break a Leg?&#8217; (Prop Agenda), which traces and debunks the Vaudeville &#8216;leg line&#8217; payment myth using period theatre terminology.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Phrase Finder (phrases.org.uk), &#8216;Break a Leg — Meaning and Origin,&#8217; which documents the 1948 Bernard Sobel Theatre Handbook citation and the German Hals- und Beinbruch connection.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Explore more: <a href="https://fyitales.com/category/words-phrases/">More word and phrase origins</a>.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">break a leg FAQs</h2>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Where does &#8216;break a leg&#8217; actually come from?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Nobody knows for certain. The strongest evidence points to an old superstition that wishing someone luck out loud would jinx them, possibly reinforced by the German phrase Hals- und Beinbruch carried into American theatre by German- or Yiddish-speaking performers in the early 1900s.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Is the Vaudeville &#8216;leg line&#8217; story true?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">No. Theatre historians have found no evidence for it — the phrase doesn&#8217;t appear in American writing during Vaudeville&#8217;s peak, and the curtains it supposedly refers to were called &#8216;wings,&#8217; not &#8216;legs,&#8217; until decades later.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">What&#8217;s the earliest confirmed theatrical use of the phrase?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The earliest documented use inside a theatre appears in novelist Edna Ferber&#8217;s 1939 autobiography A Peculiar Treasure, describing understudies wishing the leads would &#8216;break a leg.&#8217; By 1948, theatre historian Bernard Sobel was explaining the custom outright in his Theatre Handbook.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Does &#8216;break a leg&#8217; have anything to do with John Wilkes Booth or Sarah Bernhardt?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Almost certainly not. Both theories require the phrase to have gone unrecorded for decades before appearing in print, which historians consider highly unlikely.</p>
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		<title>The Hollywood Sign Was Just a Billboard for House Lots</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2026 19:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>For eighteen months. That&#8217;s how long the most famous nine letters on Earth were supposed to stand on that hillside above Los Angeles. Not as a monument to the movies, not as a symbol of anything — just as a temporary billboard for a housing development that needed buyers. In 1923, it didn&#8217;t even say ... <a title="The Hollywood Sign Was Just a Billboard for House Lots" class="read-more" href="https://fyitales.com/hollywood-sign-was-a-real-estate-ad/" aria-label="Read more about The Hollywood Sign Was Just a Billboard for House Lots">Read more</a></p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For eighteen months. That&#8217;s how long the most famous nine letters on Earth were supposed to stand on that hillside above Los Angeles. Not as a monument to the movies, not as a symbol of anything — just as a temporary billboard for a housing development that needed buyers.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In 1923, it didn&#8217;t even say HOLLYWOOD. It said HOLLYWOODLAND, and it was lit up at night in flashing segments — HOLLY, then WOOD, then LAND — like a drive-in marquee, because that&#8217;s essentially what it was.</p>
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Quick answer</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Yes — the Hollywood Sign began in 1923 as a $21,000 advertisement reading HOLLYWOODLAND, built to promote a hillside real estate subdivision selling home lots, not the movie industry. It was only meant to last about 18 months, but nobody took it down, and the city eventually inherited it and shortened it to HOLLYWOOD in 1949.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">A billboard the size of a canyon</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The sign was the brainchild of a development syndicate that included Los Angeles Times publisher Harry Chandler, along with partners Eli Clark, General Moses Sherman, Tracy Shoults, and S.H. Woodruff. They were selling steep hillside building lots in a new subdivision called Hollywoodland, tucked into the hills below Mount Lee at the end of Beachwood Canyon, with individual homesites priced anywhere from about $2,500 to $55,000. They wanted something buyers driving through the L.A. basin couldn&#8217;t miss.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">They hired the Crescent Sign Company, run by Thomas Fisk Goff, who spent about 60 days that summer and fall of 1923 bolting together thirteen letters — each roughly 45 feet tall, made of sheet metal on a scaffolding frame, strung with around 4,000 light bulbs. At night the bulbs flashed HOLLY, then WOOD, then LAND, then the whole thing lit up together. It cost about $21,000, real estate-advertising money, not civic-monument money.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Nobody expected it to last. The contract called for roughly an 18-month lifespan, just long enough to move lots.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Nobody ever took it down</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The sign just&#8230; stayed. The lots sold well enough throughout the 1920s that the developers had no urgent reason to spend money demolishing a landmark people had started using as a navigation point, and by the time anyone seriously reconsidered it, the sign had outlived its original purpose and become something else: shorthand for the movie industry itself, even though it was never built to represent movies at all.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It also got darker than its cheerful marquee bulbs suggested. In September 1932, a 24-year-old stage actress named Peg Entwistle, who&#8217;d recently moved to Hollywood chasing a film career, climbed a workman&#8217;s ladder to the top of the letter H and jumped to her death. A hiker found her shoes, jacket, and purse nearby, along with a suicide note. It remains one of the sign&#8217;s grimmest, best-documented true stories — no embellishment needed.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">By the 1940s the sign was falling apart, and the original landowner transferred the sign and surrounding land to the City of Los Angeles in 1944. In 1949, the Hollywood Chamber of Commerce agreed to pay for repairs on one condition: tear down the last four letters, LAND, and leave just HOLLYWOOD. That&#8217;s the moment a real estate ad quietly became a city&#8217;s brand name.</p>
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The part most people miss</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The sign nearly died a second time — and celebrities, not the city, saved it. By the 1970s it was rotting: the O had collapsed into a slash mark, vandals had altered letters for pranks, and the aging scaffolding was structurally unsafe. In 1978, the Hollywood Chamber of Commerce launched a campaign selling off each letter for $27,777 (nine letters, about $250,000 total, roughly the price of a new Rolls-Royce at the time — a detail organizers used deliberately for publicity). Rock star Alice Cooper bought a letter in memory of Groucho Marx. Playboy founder Hugh Hefner hosted the fundraiser at the Playboy Mansion and personally funded a letter. Singer Andy Williams, actor Gene Autry, and Warner Bros. Records chipped in too. The rebuilt sign, in sturdier steel, debuted that November — meaning the Hollywood Sign standing today isn&#8217;t the 1923 original at all. It&#8217;s a 1978 replacement, financed the same way the first one was: because someone with money wanted their name on that hill.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Sources</h2>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Hollywood Sign&#8217;s official history pages (hollywoodsign.org), maintained by the nonprofit Hollywood Sign Trust, detail the 1923 construction, the Crescent Sign Company contract, and the 1949 and 1978 restorations.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Los Angeles Conservancy&#8217;s historic-places entry on the Hollywood Sign covers the original Hollywoodland syndicate, Harry Chandler&#8217;s involvement, and the 1944 transfer to the City of Los Angeles.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Homestead Museum&#8217;s blog history of the Hollywoodland subdivision documents the original lot pricing and marketing of the development as single-family hillside homesites, not condominiums. Smithsonian Magazine&#8217;s &#8216;The Hidden History of the Hollywood Sign&#8217; corroborates the 1932 Peg Entwistle death and the 1978 celebrity-funded rebuild, including the Hugh Hefner fundraiser and per-letter donor amounts.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Explore more: <a href="https://fyitales.com/category/words-phrases/">More real stories behind everyday words and phrases</a>.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Hollywood Sign FAQs</h2>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Did the Hollywood Sign originally say something else?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Yes — it originally read HOLLYWOODLAND. The last four letters were removed in 1949 after the city took over maintenance, leaving just HOLLYWOOD.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Was the Hollywood Sign really supposed to be temporary?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Yes. It was built in 1923 as an advertisement for the Hollywoodland real estate development and was intended to stand for about 18 months, not decades.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Did the Hollywood Sign advertise condos?</h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">No. It advertised a hillside subdivision selling individual home lots and homesites, priced from about $2,500 to $55,000 — condominiums as a common housing type didn&#8217;t exist yet in the 1920s.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Tales You Can Hold</h2>
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